Different DAWs: A discussion. What do you use and why?

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  • @siebass  May 10

    I've spent a lot of time researching the various DAWs out there (Digital Audio Workstations) to go along with my recently-acquired Izotope suite (thanks for the recommendation, @johnstaples!).

    I primarily until this point have used Audacity to do most of my recording and mixing, and FL studio for drum automation and any midi work. I recently have been running into the limitations of Audacity, however. Specifically, Audacity will not work with Rewire, a feature required for some real-time Audio eq, pitch correction, and other VST plugin tools that I truly need in order to get my mixes up a few levels in quality.

    The pro-level tools as I understand it, are Pro Tools, and Logic Pro.

    I was looking into finally biting the bullet on Pro Tools, but it costs a ton, and now is no longer purchase-able, but rather is offered on a subscription model. I hate that kind of pricing.

    For Logic, I don't have a mac with any kind of horsepower, so I don't think I could handle anything more than simple GarageBand.

    Reason and Reaper I have heard are both good DAWs, but have awkward workflows.

    I've heard good things about Ableton Live, but I'm looking more for production of music, mixing, and mastering, and not as much live performance with automation.

  • @siebass  May 10

    I ended up settling on upgrading my FL Studio fruity edition to the producer edition, simply to gain the rewire capability to run my new plugins for the least added cost, but I'm not sure if I want to be using it for the long haul, as the interface isn't the most intuitive.

    Basically I'm curious as to what you are using, and why you are using it, other than "It's the one I know the best" which is why I'm using Audacity and FL Studio (instead of Reaper, for example). You can get most stuff done with Audacity and FL Studio, but an analogy I've read recently is that it can be likened to building a house with a hammer and a hand saw. You can build the whole house with those tools, and it might be just as good as a house built using power tools, but you sure could save a lot of time and effort if you invested in a power drill and table saw.

  • @ampersandman  May 11

    First thing: It's not the gear that makes the difference, it's how you use it. You can get the most important things done with every DAW, and you don't need an extensive plug in collection, for most mixes you need EQ, compression, a little reverb and delay, maybe a limiter and saturation/distortion, and the plugins that come with your DAW will most of the time do the trick, except if you are looking for some really special effects.
    Personally I'm on Logic Pro 9 simply because I own a MacBook. It is an awesome program that you get for an amazing price. I haven't bothered to upgrade to Logic Pro X yet simply because I have all I need.
    What you left out in your list is Cubase, also a very powerful pro DAW with compatibility to all systems (ReWire, hardware, Mac and Windows).
    Ableton is supposed to be good for production too, not only for performance, but you really have to wrap your head around it and get used to the workflow and usage. I never have, but many people do and love it.

  • @sph  May 11

    I second @ampersandman 's words: it's how you use your gear.
    Two other DAWs that come to mind are Presonus Studio One, which I personally use, and Reaper.

  • @lvgd09 May 11

    @siebass "I was looking into finally biting the bullet on Pro Tools, but it costs a ton, and now is no longer purchase-able, but rather is offered on a subscription model. I hate that kind of pricing."

    If this is the case then Pro Tools can stick their DAW software where their sun don't shine. I won't allow "anybody" to force me to use the internet on my music system. Took me a long time to stop all those unnecessary services and virus software from taking over my computer.

  • @lvgd09 May 11

    Being a collector of audio software since 1992, I have found that the best software DAW available today is Studio One. That said, I've always been a big fan of Ableton Live. Once upon a long time ago, Cakewalk was my primary DAW. Once they moved to the X series their software went doo doo.

    Plugins? Too deep for me to get into here. Rewire? I used it a long time ago on a daily basis. Haven't needed it for years. BTW, Studio One supports rewire.

  • @siebass  May 11

    @ampersandman @sph I'm not disagreeing with either of you in terms of how you use your tools, but to use the analogy again, you can put a hole in a piece of wood with a hammer and a chisel, but it would be a lot easier to use a drill. I'm curious to know what people feel their tools are the "best" at. Audacity is fantastic at audio recording and editing. Chopping tracks up, moving things around, even basic mixing in terms of levels it's pretty solid. However it has destructive editing, so you can't just throw an effect on a signal chain to see how it sounds, you need to copy a track, modify the new track with the effect, decide if you like it, etc. It's more cumbersome. You can do it, it's just not as good as other tools.

  • @siebass  May 11

    Regarding rewire, Izotope's plugins require rewire for certain realtime eq's and for their vocal pitch correction VST. After getting it running in FL Studio last night, I may end up going back to purchasing Melodyne for vocal pitch correction, as the Izotope pitch plugin seemed only slightly better than free alternative like KeroVee.

    I have been finding that I can beef up Audacity with some cool plugins in order to do a lot of what I need for mixing, such as the great Voxengo Span, and some free EQs, tape saturation, and the like. Real time monitoring can be very slow in Audacity, however, and I'm finding most of my chunkier plugins run better in FL Studio, particularly on a mix I'm working on with 25 tracks.

  • @lvgd09 May 12

    @siebass I have FL Studio (not sure what version). The stuff is great but I don't make dance music, thus, never choose that software anymore.

    Melodyn Editor is the best pitch correction software, period.

    Audacity? I've been using pro DAWs and Sound Forge for so long I wouldn't even consider a "free" open source software. However, I hear good things about it. The truth is I don't need Audacity because I have better. This is not knocking the stuff...I'm just telling you. I've been doing this a long time. Oh, and my beat making sucks...lol If I find a need (I doubt that) for making beats I would probably be back in FL Studio, trying to figure that stuff out again.

  • @tcelliott  May 12

    I use reaper. It's the first paid for DAW I used and I like it well enough. Work flow isn't as bad as I once thought. But learning the DAW isn't necessarily intuitive. It works for me but a good part would be that I don't want the pain of a new learning curve for another DAW.

  • @lvgd09 May 12

    @tcelliott I thought I'd never leave Cakewalk. Now I have very little interest in their software. Their midi features are still superior. Also, the only real reason "Reason" is in the ballpark is the pricing and demo policy. Like Audacity, it is a FAWM favorite. I'd say "I'm sorry" I have the good stuff...but I'm not sorry at all. I'm a software hound and so I have tried them all (Windows Only). Learning curve? Come on, it isn't hard and it is fun. I'm pretty sure it's all about the money, which is perfectly understandable. That said, there won't be any more software upgrades for me. I have what I need, it is 32 bit, and I'm sticking with it the rest of the way....which might be tomorrow, who knows. Oh, but Reaper is the best low price DAW available. Most of those companies think they have a gold mine and try for $500 and up. Same thing with the plugins. The pricing for the good stuff is simply ridiculous for people not making money. To top it off, some of those high pr

  • @lvgd09 May 12

    To top it off, some of those high priced Softwares are crap.

    Edit note: Above I said "Reason". No, I meant Reaper. That said, Reason is good software. However, like the other good Softwares, there is nothing cheap about their pricing.

  • @radioovermoscow May 13

    I've never understood the 'Reaper is hard' crowd. Reaper is by far the most intuitive and easy to use DAW out there. I've tried others, and always come back to Reaper. Hell, some DAWs I couldn't even figure out how to get sound out of them! Others only ran certain bit VSTs. Reaper does it all, without hassle, at minimal cost.

  • @lvgd09 May 13

    Groove3 can tell you everything there is to know about Reaper. These guys are really good and I have tons of respect for their entire teaching staff.

    https://www.groove3.com/reaper-traini...

  • @metalfoot  May 13

    I saw Acid Music Studio on sale for $39 at a local store. Good/bad/ugly? Or should I just try to learn Reaper?

  • @lvgd09 May 13

    Hi, I spent 2 hours this morning in "Reaper". Of course, I had to re-learn how to use that software. So I opend an old midi project of mine inside of Reaper, and it worked out really well. Unlike "Ableton Live", Reaper can read the tempo map of a midi file. I expect that, yes, and so I have only one boo hoo about Ableton Live, and that is they still haven't gotten their midi compatibility right.

    Anyway, In Reaper I was able to add vsti, vst effects, and automation. One question maybe somebody could answer for me is - How can I make the track names appear on my stems? Thanks.

  • @lvgd09 May 13

    Oh, forgot something. I'm going to open FL Studio today. More on that later.

  • @lvgd09 May 13

    @metalfoot I don't think Sony is updating any of the Acid Softwares anymore. They actually stopped updating Acid Pro a few years ago. I think I mentioned in this thread that my favorite DAW is StudioOne. Too much money then I recommend Reaper over Acid Music Studio. I've only used the Pro version of Acid but I imagine the lite versio is probably pretty good. But if I can learn Reaper, then ____ can too. 😀

  • @metalfoot  May 13

    Acid is not under Sony anymore, I think? Different publisher on the box I saw.

  • @lvgd09 May 13

    Interesting, I just checked that out...appears Magix has bought the rights to the Acid software. But will actually work on the software? I doubt that. Oh, and Magix also has "Samplitude" in the catalog. I don't think I've ever heard anybody mention that software. Powerful stuff. However, behind the leaders because of a lack of keeping up with the newest technology. Don't get me wrong, Samplitude is powerful and once upon a time cost about a thousand dollars. I don't know what it is anymore but the pro x series appeared to me to be less than earlier versions. Yeah, Sony actually bought Acid and Sound Forge from "Sonic Foundry". Now they sold it to Magix...lol

  • @lvgd09 May 13

    In there messing with FL Studio...lol. I need to RTFM. The best I can do is make a beat, and rewire. Or possibly rewired their vsti synth stuff. I don't know. I do know there are a lot of tutorials for FL on the internet but I just don't have enough interest right now. I'm playing sing songs right now with an acoustic guitar and brand new raw lyrics. Totally different.

  • @siebass  May 14

    I just used FL Studio to mix a song for my band. I have no idea how to record in the program, but I was able to add my 20 some tracks, and use the mixer to group multiple channels into inserts, add multiple effects. I was also able to watch some tutorials on how to sidechain the kick drum to cut through a busy mix. Lastly, I learned how to automate effects, such as having a delay only on certain sections of the high hat/overhead mics. None of that is possible with Audacity's mixer, so I think I'm converted. There will definitely be more growing pains, but I feel like I did when I got a smart phone for the first time. The tool just does a lot more vs. Audacity.

    @lvgd09 it is definitely not intuitive, I spent about 30 minutes watching tutorials, and 15 of that was a sidechain video I watched 5 or 6 times.

  • @lvgd09 May 14

    Regarding Reaper: I think I just answered my own question, "How can I make the track names appear on my stems?"

    After watching 2 times I think I've got it. When you render stems you need to select wildcard - track. I haven't done this yet but I think this is what I was trying to find out. If I am rendering stems from a drums section, it needs to say what drum (kick, snare, hhat, etc.).

    Anyway, if anybody is interested he shows you in this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAkAv...

    This is a learning curve. Most of the time I just make sure the track has a name and my software does the rest for me. But what I got the song title followed by a number sequence. That's not very helpful, especially if you are collaborating, or even having somebody else mix for you.

    I will go try that now. That's all I have to say about Reaper

    Update: I made mistake about Reaper's midi. That track I mixed this morning didn't hae a tempo change. The one I just attempted does, and some or all of the tracks are out of sync (rest of details skipped).

  • @lvgd09 May 14

    @siebass I didn't know FL can mix audio files. That's what you are saying, right? I know about Edison, but I always thought FL was based on samples and midi. I can't even imagine trying to record into that software. Mixing, hmmm....I don't know because I've never mixed in FL. Interesting hearing about your achievements with that mix today. I'm mostly interested because you said it is your band. 20 tracks of midi, I can see that, but mixing audio tracks in FL Studio...hmmm, I didn't know they have come that far. But I do know FL is good stuff. Still, I thought it was just dance beats or Doctor Dre kind of music.

  • @tootoobee  May 14

    @lvgd09 you know that there are quite a few videos on Reaper by Kenny here http://www.kennymania.com/reaper-videos/ ?

  • @lvgd09 May 14

    @tootoobee Nice!

    update: I just watched the gain staging video. I was a little surprised that it works that way. The proof to me was when he uses a phase inverted track. Good to know because I always wondered if I was doing it wrong. In other words, my tracks were too hot and I brought down the master channel. However, I think it might be worth noting that he used a "plugin" to bring the volume down, and not the master channel volume.

  • @tcelliott  May 15

    If you (I think) shift left click the top of your track you can reduce the volume of each individual tracks. Which is nice if you tend to record too hot (I STILL do this even after years of "knowing" better.)

    Re: Pricing. That definitely has something to do with it @lvgd09 - but honestly, I don't care how intuitive it is, I don't want to learn something new, either. I go in phases of mixing a lot to not mixing at all for weeks or sometimes even months. Even in Reaper I start to lose my work flow. I can't imagine something else. The down side is, I bet there is something else that would be more intuitive (to me) that I would like better. I'm just not interested in learning.

  • @lvgd09 May 15

    @tcelliott My friend, we all just want to play music. This audio stuff, and I've been saying it for years, is a totally different hobby than songwriting and performing. Both are passionate hobbies of mine. I study other stuff too. I personally just can't get enough learning. Except for math and political science...no interest in those. 😀

  • @johnstaples  May 15

    @lvgd09 & @tcelliott

    I have gone from "Wow, I can produce my own music!" to "Dang, I wish I had someone who would produce my music!" I still enjoy the whole process but I know I never put enough time/effort in my productions so they could always be a lot better. How come T Bone Burnett and Jeff Lynne won't return my calls???

  • @lvgd09 May 15

    @johnstaples The Beatles had George Martin. Talk about an Ace in the hole. I got my chance in a really nice recording studio back in the early 90's. I played but it wasn't my music. Anyway, having that pro engineer was far better than I could do on my own. I do ok for what I do. Oh, and I want to "attempt" to mix one of your tracks, please?

  • @siebass  May 15

    @lvgd09 True and proper mixing. I was surprised as well. 3 bass tracks, 2 lead guitar tracks, 4 rhythm guitar tracks, at least 8 drum tracks, 3 vocal tracks and a bag of chips. I was pleasantly surprised. Click and drag recorded audio (wavs, mp3s, etc) into the song sheet, and then use the mixer to get to business.

  • @brrrse  May 16

    Reaper was not the first DAW I tried - I tried ProTools because it came with the midi keyboard controller I bought - it was difficult to learn on my own and I quickly pitched it aside. I got Reaper because it was recommended online for newbies - and I've been teaching myself along the way. I've looked at a few other DAWS and while I can transfer some of my miniscule knowledge, it just doesn't look like what I'm used to.

    That being said - I think it's to each his own - The goal is to release your music so that it's heard the way you intend it to be heard.

  • @johnstaples  May 17

    @lvgd09 I'd be delighted to have you mix one! Let's do that during 50/90!

  • @jamkar  May 17

    I started with Sonar (hated it), and then got Reaper. I still haven't exhausted the possibilities with Reaper. My go to DAW.

  • @zecoop  May 17

    I used nTrack since around 2001 and had always been very happy with the interface, power and results. But I have had a couple major glitches in recent years that killed the saved mixes that I had (replaced them with a totally different song for no apparent reason). I had upgraded numerous times over the years too. The developers are still trying to figure it out, but I made the decision to switch over to Reaper. @guatecoop @kovbleu and @slawbleu from our band all use it, so it made sense for me to use it too. I like it so far and it has not been difficult to learn. It's very reasonably priced too, and powerful. I'd recommend it.

  • @lvgd09 May 17

    Thanks @johnstaples , I'm looking forward to that!

    In there yesterday recording in Ableton Live...it was ok. Today I said, "screw that" and jumped back into StudioOne...good move. So much easier and far better workflow. You know, my friend Jimmy (a group member) and I have been cranking out large amounts of lyrics and rough draft demos this week. The music "never" ends for me at the end of any challenge. I still have a shoulder problem though, and I'm dealing with it by standing up and using my strat rather than sitting with an acoustic guitar. Can't do that...no. My doctors are working on it and I'll be seeing a specialist soon.

  • @ianuarius  6 weeks

    Reaper. It's the first one I started to use, it does eveything I want.

  • @w1n  6 weeks

    I use Ableton Live for all my composing and recording. But recently I've bought Harrison Mixbus during a sale, I plan to use it for mixing, since it resembles the workflow of mixing on an actual mixing desk. And hope it will make it easier for me to separate the mixing process from the composing/recording bit.

  • @lvgd09 6 weeks

    I've been thinking about this upcoming FAWM season and I definitely don't want to put extra stress on myself. I spent some time in Ableton Live last week "relearning" how to get things done. I'll need to do this with just about every audio tool that I have. Also, I noticed over time that mastering your audio doesn't really make it sound better. The song needs to sound great with no mastering. Imagine yourself spending hours tweaking automation, EQ, and compression to get that pristine sound. What about the song? Is the song good enough for this much attention? Further, I've got to get past this crappy lyric writing before I can even begin to think like a recording artist.

  • @johnstaples  6 weeks

    Reaper

  • @dancrook 6 weeks

    Logic X and GarageBand for the iPad is what I’ll be using. The latter is incredibly powerful and it’s free!

  • @kevinemmrich  6 weeks

    still using sonar 8.5.3 -- 32bit, because I have a bunch of good 32bit plugins from the older tymes.

  • @ampersandman  6 weeks

    @w1n: Oh, that's interesting. I was tempted to have a go at Harrison Mixbus. I rely too much on visual cues of the plugins, and mixing on a console-like setting would surely help that. But that would be for after FAWM. Still curious about your experience.

  • @vomvorton  6 weeks

    I've been using Reaper for the last few years, but I got an Ableton 'Lite' licence free with a USB keyboard and liked it enough that I ended up upgrading to a full version. I think they're different enough that I'll probably keep using both of them for different things, but definitely leaning more heavily on Ableton at the moment.

  • @w1n  6 weeks

    @ampersandman I haven't had the time to do anything but scratch the surface. Done some test mixes using unprocessed tracks from songs I've mixed in Ableton earlier, annoyingly I think all of those new test mixes sounds better then the orginal mixes. Harrison Mixbus has a certain character and it does color the sound, but in a good way. I end up using less plugins since the EQ, comp and gate on each channel sound really good. And focus more on trusting my ears, then visual information.

  • @timfatchen  6 weeks

    Cakewalk Music Creator as the production (it's a stripped down Sonar and cheap), Audacity for quick'n'dirty. Wht Cakewalk? It's what I started with and It does what I need doing. Familiarity is more important than whizbang features for speed of working. That said, a lot of what i do is notation based and for that I use a notation program, in my case the excellent elegant and not expensive Notation Composer..

  • @unkept 6 weeks

    Studio One 3 Pro, because I started with Studio One 2 Artist which came bundled in a nice set with the Audiobox and a condenser microphone. I still use those inputs, but I had to move to pro to get 3rd party VST support (big deal for me) and it was nice to have some other features it unlocked.

    It's interface is easy for me to comprehend. I wish the MIDI setup of devices going in and out was more straightforward, and I wouldn't mind a clip view / approach like Ableton Live...

    Honestly I use Maschine software as a DAW, where I do my primary song construction. It can do most of what any DAW can do, but it has some limitations and forces me to always finish my song in S1. It's just so fast and slick to make clips and arrange a song!

    If money were no object, and I had to start over, I would possibly look at Ableton Live. It's price is higher than S1 though, and so far the Maschine / Studio One combo has done anything I've asked of it. 😀

  • @alboe 6 weeks

    Hi @unkept ,
    You are aware that S1 has scratchpad?
    I don't know if that fits your workflow but is has some great functions to try out different arrangements on the fly.

  • @oddbod  6 weeks

    I use Sonar but I've hated it since they brought in that Multidock interface. The only reason I've stuck with it so far is for familiarity - better the devil you know...
    I tried Reaper briefly but it was a while ago and I don't remember why I didn't take to it - maybe I should try again.
    I also tried Mixcraft for a while but I couldn't get it to run smoothly on my PC so I dumped it.
    Probably not the right time for experimenting but I might give Studio One a go - there's a limited free version you can download. Maybe that might run better.

    ,

  • @unkept 6 weeks

    @alboe I am aware of it, but when I first tried it I didn't find it smooth, I think mostly the way it rendered out on my screen (I only have a built in 17" monitor, which make visual real-estate valuable.)

    I will give it another look though! I know already it would be helpful when recording my guitar and vocals. Thanks for the reminder.

  • @lvgd09 6 weeks

    I have found the "scratchpad" useful in S1. Thanks for the reminder and for those who don't know what we are talking about I found this quick overview video. You do need to properly record in sync to make good on this feature. Notice in the video that the guy's tracks are in perfect sync with the grid. Honestly, I haven't done this lately but the last time I did I just drag the original track window to the left revealing the majority of my scratchpad version. Most of the time the scratchpad version ended up being the final version.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYJKk...

  • @lifespace 6 weeks

    +1 for Waveform (previously Tracktion). Super intuitive, everything in one screen, yet very powerful.

  • @roddy  5 weeks

    I'm still using GarageBand because it came free with my Mac. It's developed a lot over the past few years and gives a good enough sound for my needs. I re-recorded a vocal and remastered a track in a studio last year and it doesn't sound that different to the version I did with GarageBand at home.

  • @andygetch  5 weeks

    Garageband. Not just because it came with the Mac. My first USB interface came with Ableton Lite and I upgraded to Live which I used for a year or so before learning Garageband. Upon recommendation of a recording engineer at a songwriting camp, I bought another USB (that I eventually gave away) that came with Studio One but that was not compatible with anything I had recorded to date. I bought Logic thinking I could do more things in recording. I keep coming back to Garageband because it does everything I need a DAW to do.

  • @francessmith 5 weeks

    Ableton live. I got the lite version free with an audio interface, and saw a moocs course on how to use it, which was extremely useful, as I would never have got past the jargon barrier without that. I upgraded to the intro version, which will do for now, 16 tracks keeps things under control. I've grown to like it.

  • @timfatchen  5 weeks

    @oddbod With on that Multidock feature in Sonar. I guess I'm a stick in the mud traditionalist or non-phone dinosaur or something. Its' made a versatile DAW just that bit harder to persuade to do what you want.

  • @torsten 4 weeks

    For quick shots I use Audacity, because limited possibilities means limited confusion. And if I want to really mix/produce a song I use the wonderful Ardour, which hasn't been mentioned here so far. To my surprise, as it's the only professional open source DAW. I like Ardour for it's helpful community, it's communicative developer and it's high customizability. Besides I like the smooth workflow, but I just might grown used to it.

  • @cts  4 weeks

    Used Sony Acid Pro for a very long time. Once the company was sold to Magix, it all went trash can very quickly. I use Presonus Studio One, but it’s not as intuitive as I’d like for it to be...and I’m not trying to have it act like Acid. Right now I quick record with Acid and then pretty it up through Studio One.

  • @stuartbenbow  4 weeks

    I’m a PreSonus Studio One guy, and have been for a while now. I’ve used a lot of mid tier daws, but stayed away from “the industry standards” for much the same reason you’re asking.

    S1 has a few tiers available, ranging from free and functional to added features and moderate, to full on mic/master album production and a little pricey if you don’t catch a sale.

    It excels at real and midi instruments, but lags behind on composing to video. That’s something to keep in mind if you work on licensing for film or plan to.

    It’s not as resource intensive as some, and is USUALLY fairly stable, depending on 3rd party plugins and how hard you push the virtual instruments vs computer stats.

    It is Mac and windows compatible, and has apps for iPad for remote recording to the iPad, at least with a compatible interface, and the files import over WiFi when you return, allowing you to continue in the full daw. It also has iOS apps for remote control of the daw, which is super hand

  • @shortdan  4 weeks

    I switched from Logic Pro to Ableton Live around four years ago. Until fairly recently I’d still bounce from Live to add vocals in Logic (in case I wanted to edit them with flex tools). Also always used to switch back to Logic for creating the final ‘master’. Hoping to not have to do that this time around as I’ve bought Melodyne Editor 4 & Ozone 8 Elements to take care of pitch / timing issues and simple mastering.

  • @shortdan  4 weeks

    Also, Live 10 finally exports mp3 files natively! Won’t need a tool for file conversion either.

  • @skittycat  4 weeks

    I use FLStudio (XXL pack) for all my sequencing and electro recording and Reaper for all my vocal/instrumental recording. Seems to work well for me. I have been using FLStudio since it was Fruityloops but i can't honestly say I know the programme inside out. I am still at the basics level.
    Reaper I've only used a few times during FAWM but I have a book to guide me through. It records live sounds better and I can import a file from FLstudio and then do the vox easily enough.
    I'm not good with tech though and I like to keep things as simple as possible

  • @scottlake 4 weeks

    Tracktion 6. Entirely free, no nags, no limitations like having to pay to use your own plugins like Studio One requires, fits like hand in glove with how I view signals in my laptop. Often leads other DAWs with features. Again, entirely free.

  • @metalfoot  4 weeks

    I would love to use a DAW. I have yet to wrap my head around how they work. Like, how can I pick the BPM for my song in advance if I just want to record a demo of random playing whatever comes to mind? Or if I have a song but have NO idea what the BPM is supposed to be.
    Audacity fits how my brain works really well. I need convincing to move to a DAW.

  • @scottlake 4 weeks

    @metalfoot most will let you record whatever you want, then you can pick a section and use it to tap the tempo, then go from there with composition. If all you need is a tape recorder in your machine then a daw is not what you need

  • @zecoop  4 weeks

    @metalfoot - I have not typocally used the temp parts of the DAWs I have used - I ust either wing it or record a click off my piano, once I figure out how fast I want it to be. Now that I am using Reaper, I can see how to set the temp and have a metronome play per that tempo. But you don't have to use it at all. If you use it, you can snap things in so that they line up, so I'll probably use it this year, but as Scott said, you don't need to.

  • @standup  4 weeks

    Pro Tools. Out of habit. Last time I thought about ditching it they dropped the price enough that I stayed in, since it's familiar and I can get things done.

    I've used Garageband, Reaper, Cubase, and a long time ago Audacity too. But I can work effectively in Pro Tools, so there I am. If I get backed into a corner with a high-priced upgrade I'll probably check out Logic. Or go to Reaper.

  • @swampjaw  4 weeks

    On the desktop, I use Logic Pro X.

    But this year.... I hack iPad apps in my spare time, and will try to pull off everything this year using my own code (an iOS app called Infinite Looper). It's a MIDI looper/loop sequencer, but I can plug in guitar effects apps, vocal processing, and even do some overdubbing. This year, gonna be a lot of eating my own dog food!

  • @guatecoop  4 weeks

    I use reaper and I like it. Sure, there are complications, but I think that's any, depending on how deep you want to get.
    I have been thinking of adding Harrison Mix Buss 4...it seems like most people think that its workflow is pretty much like a console and many just use it for mixing and mastering. I also have heard that it is the DAW that will actually sound as close to an analog mixer as any DAW. I just wish I would have been paying attention when they sold it for $39us. Now, it's still pretty cheap at $80us or something.

  • @zecoop  4 weeks

    @scottlake - So Traktion 6 says it is free, but do you still have to run it in Demo mode? It's asking if I bought a license to get rid of the Demo messages when it starts.

  • @lvgd09 4 weeks

    @metalfoot I don't have time this year so I may use my Sony IC Recorder (voice recorder) for this years FAWM. You simply press the red button and you go live. Dump your mp3 on the computer, rename the file, upload to ____, grab the link, fill out the rest of your add new song page, submit, and next.

  • @metalfoot  4 weeks

    @zecoop When I downloaded Tracktion, it made me sign up and they emailed me a key or some such. That got rid of the demo/nag screen.

  • @mdavisto  4 weeks

    +1 for FL Studio. I use it for everything from Doofdoof to Classical. I've even begun using it for tracking.

    For the longest time I thought that FL Studio was no good for multitrack recording. Turns out the problem was in my head, not in the software. I came up using tools like Soundscapes and Cubase, which are very track-centric tools.

    FL Studio is clip-centric. The tracks just don't matter. Tracks are just a place where you put clips, there's no correlation between tracks in the arrangement view and mixer channels.

    If you are used to track-centric arrangement, FL Studio will make you all kinds of anxious. But if you can make the disconnect, it's just a different way of working.

    Bottom line - I can fly this platform. I work quicker in it than any other, and during FAWM, speed is paramount.

  • @mdavisto  4 weeks

    @swampjaw huuuuuge respect, man. I don't own a fruit, otherwise I would totally write a track in your app. That is way cool.

    In the 1990s I was part of a demo crew called GuruMagic, and we had our own inhouse tracker called PyraTracker. In some ways it was like FastTracker, but there was no limit on sample size, bitrate, or number of channels. Fun times.

    I hope your baby does well, and that you learn a lot of things about how to make it even better during FAWM. No place for discovering potential improvements like the front-line of battle.

    "Boy, it sure would be nice if we had some grenades, dontcha think?"
    -- Jayne Cobb, <i>Serenity</i>

  • @mkd  4 weeks

    I'm actually going to be using Pro Tools, as the box of tricks I've bought to record with came with it for free... I'm not paying any subscription for it. (box of tricks - aka: Focusrite Scarlett 2i2)

  • @juoppis  4 weeks

    My setup is completely built around Logic, so that's what I'm going with. The price to quality ratio is unbeatable and since it's something I've gotten used to it's easy to work around the system.

  • @stuartbenbow  4 weeks

    @scottlake which version of S1 did you try? I’ve never had to fork over extra cash to use my plugins, MP3 access etc. The free version definitely has some features blocked, but not sure which ones.

  • @scottlake 4 weeks

    @stuartbenbow the entry level one does not allow you to use any VST or VSTi, you have to pay extra for this most basic of features.

  • @oddbod  4 weeks

    @stuartbenbow @scottlake
    I can confirm. I recently downloaded the “Prime” version of Studio One 3 and there’s no 3rd party VST support.
    There’s not even any with the “Artist” version – though you can fork out extra to get this enabled.
    Only the Pro version comes with it automatically.

    It was a shame as I liked the program. I may yet decide to give it a go but Artist version costs £85 and the 3rd party VSTi add-in is another £70 or so.

  • @stuartbenbow  4 weeks

    @oddbod thanks. I’ve been on pro a while, and I wasn’t into plugins much back when I was on artist.

  • @stuartbenbow  4 weeks

    @scottlake thanks. Seems more cost effective to go pro out of the gate, rather than nickle and dime your way through the features a la Carte. Not everyone can afford that though. I got lucky and won my pro version.

  • @sph  4 weeks

    I also use Studio One Pro for quite some years now. They have discounts from time to time.
    My first DAW was Logic Audio when it also was available for PCs.

  • @tesla3090  4 weeks

    I use Ableton because a copy of it came with the first keyboard I bought. I've thought about jumping ship to either Bitwig or Reaper, but the time and cost of changing DAWs just isn't worth it to me. I'd much rather spend that time actually making music than learning new software.

    Overall though, Ableton is great. I've done everything in it, including composition, performance, mixing, mastering, sound design, and film scoring.

  • @rickatfulcrum 4 weeks

    Logic Pro 9 here. Haven't upgraded because I haven't felt any internal pressure to do so. I'm constantly in production — two albums and an EP queued up — and everything is still working, so why disrupt the workflow?

  • @bootlegger 4 weeks

    I've used samplitude, then logic, then pro tools. Dabbled with several others (digital performer, sonar, GarageBand, audacity).

    This year I needed a cheap ad/da converter and ordered a presonus 2 channel. It's gonna come with presonus studio one so I'll try that and see how it goes.

  • @jacobeverettwallace  4 weeks

    I've been using Logic for a long time, a combination of GarageBand and Reaper and Audacity before that. I feel comfortable with Logic. I think that's the main thing, to be competent with whatever you use so that the focus is on the actual recording and production. Especially during FAWM. I have templates that I keep handy for whatever style I'm going for in a particular song. It speeds up the process considerably.

    Plus, now that I've delved into real recording studios, it seems most producers are familiar with Logic and can take my rough demos and port them into whatever their DAW of choice is (usually Pro Tools) for reference.

  • @tseaver  4 weeks

    I'm using Ardour for tracking, at least when resource constrained, and Harrison Mixbus for songwriting and mixing (Mixbus is built on top of the open-source Ardour, and shares a lot of features which ease my workflow).

  • @atitlan 4 weeks

    I started out using Reason, but switched to Studio One when it looked as though Reason was falling too far behind. I love the workflow of Studio One and the way it handles the mastering stage is particularly nice.

    But Reason is a unique environment; one that is really good for generating ideas. So when VST support was included last year in v9.5 I updated and have been using it again - the inclusion of two excellent new synths (Europa and Grain) have also helped Reason's appeal, but I suspect ultimately I'll drift back to Studio One as it's just easier to work with.

  • @w1n  4 weeks

    @atitlan have you checked out using the Rewire function in Studio One?
    That way you could kind of get the best of both worlds, be creative in Reason and overdub/mix/master with Studio One.
    I do some work with a hip hop dude that insists to use a Renoise a fasttracker ish program when he makes stuff, so I just use Rewire in Ableton and have the tracks from Renoise routed into Ableton. That way we can still edit stuff in Renoise, while recording vocals and other overdubs in Ableton.

  • @mdavisto  4 weeks

    @tseaver what operating system are you running?

  • @songsville  4 weeks

    Just a running tally, then:

    DAW Number of Users
    ___________________________
    FL Studio 2
    Logic Pro 5
    Reaper 10
    Studio One 4
    Sonar 2
    Ableton Live 4
    Cakewalk 1
    Waveform/Traktion 2
    GarageBand 2
    Ardour 2
    Pro Tools 3

    Reaper for me, BTW. Cool tips here: http://fawm.org/forums/topic/7608/

  • @nikke88 4 weeks

    Reaper for me. And the reason for choosing Reaper was simple: It was free to download and my friend recommended it. It's easy to use and it has all the features, that I need, so I have no interest of changing it. I have no interest of studying new DAWs, I rather spend that time recording and creating something new.

  • @julesbf 4 weeks

    Reaper for me too. The initial free download and try it plus the recommendations from others was the reason I went to it first. Now I have been using it so long I don't have the time to learn something new. My son uses Logic so I could have that, he also has Ableton Live which I have used a couple of times for some experimental tracks but not recorded traditional songs on it. Again, mainly due to the time required to invest in learning something new. With hindsight I would probably go Logic and learn that from the start but Reaper fits my needs currently and is what I know.

  • @chasingandromeda  4 weeks

    Was a satisfied Sonar user for years. But, when I took on a new day gig that involved frequent travel, I got a Mac for travel. Cakewalk was supposedly working on a Mac version of Sonar. Until they did that, I was running Boot Camp so that I could run Sonar on the Mac. When at home, I was running on a PC. Because of the circumstances, I decided to make a switch to Presonus Studio One. Love the workflow. Ended up ditching my PC so that I am now only maintaining a single MacBook Pro.

    I still Reason (was a beta tester for years) and Maschine on occasion. it all seems to work well together now depending on what I am trying to produce.

    Whatever works for you is what you ought to run. Learn one well rather than learn many a bit.

    Happy FAWMing and recording!

  • @shortdan  4 weeks

    I used to love Maschine @chasingandromeda but kind of fell out of the habit of using it once I got into Ableton. I still think Maschine was the very quickest to put ideas together form a workflow perspective. The factory presets are great too. Too close to February for me to go back and have a play now I think!

  • @pluto 4 weeks

    I will stick to Reaper - even though I see the advantages of Ableton which I really miss sometimes (Rearranging Songs in Live Mode / Drag and Drop of predefined songsections). Reaper does it all and I'm used to it. There's no "magic"-button - if you know how things work Reaper is the tool that does it all. Surely not better as any other one but for a great cost-benefit-ratio.

  • @oddbod  4 weeks

    @sph @lvgd09 @unkept @cts @stuartbenbow @atitlan @chasingandromeda

    With so many Studio One users here I thought I might tap some knowledge as I’m considering a switch from Sonar. Any answers gratefully received. I’m sure I there’s a lot more but these initially spring to mind…

    Can you create custom track templates?
    Can you create custom project templates?
    Can you set the timeline to automatically return to the starting location on hitting stop?
    A bit specific this – Do Direct X effects plugins work?
    Can individual audio clips be edited with envelopes for gain/pan
    Generally how is the MIDI editing?
    Can quantize strength be adjusted?

  • @alboe 4 weeks

    @oddbod
    Can you create custom track templates? Yes
    Can you create custom project templates? Yes
    Can you set the timeline to automatically return to the starting location on hitting stop? Doubleclick on 0 makes the cursor go back to where you started playback, one more click takes you back to the beginning of your song.
    What are Direct X effects?
    Can individual audio clips be edited with envelopes for gain/pan. Not sure, I will take a look later.
    MIDI editing is ok for me but I'm not that much into midi, I play some keys and sometimes have to adjust some timing issues or notes and that is easy to do. Depends on what you want to do with it.
    Can quantize strength be adjusted? Yes

  • @solarrainuk  4 weeks

    I used to use Cubase several years ago, created tons of ideas with that DAW but never finished a single track. Tried some others, but didn't click with any of them until I tried Presonus Studio One, best move I ever made. It's simple, fast, very stable and the workflow is so quick and intuitive. I only wish it had a non-linear option for song structuring/looping parts. I liken this DAW to something like sitting down with a guitar and recorder + looper. Drag an instrument in, set a 16 bar loop and start jamming ideas immediately. I don't even have to do that, since I save templates already prepped. I have one called 'FAWM', 16 bar loop, Omnisphere and a drum sequencer loads up with it, master FX already in place, metronome set, favourite send FX loaded. Within 3 seconds I can be laying parts down. I also save insert presets and instrument presets that load up with everything I saved in advance and just drag it into the timeline. The way almost everything is really fast drag and drop wor

  • @solarrainuk  4 weeks

    -k flow, that, and the interface is perfect for me, minimal and never gets in the way of the production. Can't see me ever switching.

  • @oddbod  4 weeks

    @alboe hey thanks for those answers. much appreciated

    Direct X is another format of FX plugin that comes with Sonar - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX...

  • @solarrainuk  4 weeks

    @oddbod I use MIDI editing a LOT in my tracks, since it's all electronica using VST plugins which I almost never freeze/render and I'm very satisfied with it. You can open MIDI parts in a separate window at the bottom on a piano roll and do quick edits there, adjust length, velocity, pitches, draw automation etc..it's very fast. I'm sure the likes of Cubase and such trump Studio One in that department, but I always found Cubase cumbersome, confusing and distracting with too many options and info. overload.

  • @stuartbenbow  4 weeks

    Hi @oddbod looks like I was beaten to the punch. I agree with the above, including not knowing about the Direct X. I’m likely middle of the line on midi usage. editing’s been pretty intuitive and easy to catch on to, though it may be different than what you’re used to. A lot of the hot keys can be remapped to your old daw settings so you don’t have to relearn it.

  • @oddbod  4 weeks

    @solarrainuk @stuartbenbow
    Thanks for you're input. I think I'm going to switch although I'll leave it until after FAWM as we're so close now.
    Artist version + 3rd party VST support looks the best bet for me. Not sure I need the Pro

  • @stuartbenbow  4 weeks

    @oddbod the big plus with pro is full project mastering, rather than individual songs. It’s mostly used to put a final polish on the completed mix, and balance levels between songs. If that’s not your thing, it comes down to the cost benefit of artist and add ons vs the full pro cost. A lot of people want MP3 support as well as vst. Just something to consider.

  • @chasingandromeda  4 weeks

    @oddbod, @alboe

    Can you create custom track templates? Not exactly. Definitely not like you can in Sonar, unless they recently added this ability. You can save multi-instruments so there is a workaround, but it is not as convenient as the track templates in Sonar. You can only do this for virtual instruments, not audio tracks, and it does not include Sends as it does in Sonar.

    MIDI editing is generally good once you get used to the differences. There is percentage based quantize.

    No DirectX to the best of my knowledge. Then again, I am using it on Mac so how would I know? 😉

    I will check the gain/pan editing on audio clips but I am fairly certain this can be done.

    Hope this helps!

  • @chasingandromeda  4 weeks

    @shortdan , I agree, Maschine is very quick to pull something together, particularly if it is audio/loops based. The built in drums are very good as well. Haven't used the new bass synth as much as I have a Bas Station II and a Roland SE-02 that fill that space well.

  • @oddbod  4 weeks

    @stuartbenbow thanks, none of those sound like things that would bother me.

    @chasingandromeda the track template is a bit of a bummer but not a deal breaker. So once I'd inserted an audio track I'd have to manually select the input channels from my Focusrite Scarlett 18i20

  • @chasingandromeda  4 weeks

    @oddbod, I believe so but will confirm for you today.

  • @lvgd09 4 weeks

    @oddbod Midi in S1 is excellent until you need to save as midi. What happens is all of the midi tracks come out on Channel 1. I haven't seen a fix or know if Presonus will ever address that issue. In Sonar, as you know, when saving as midi it maintains the track channels. This is important as the drums need to be on Channel 10. Also, there is no music staff in S1 as midi editing is a piano roll system only. That said, I still love S1 because it is just better. It comes down to what is your priority. I find Sonar's (the X series) GUI extremely annoying.

    BTW, I started out in Cakewalk 2. Yep, in those days Cakewalk was only midi. I used external midi devices (drum machine, synth, etc.) More later.

  • @alboe 4 weeks

    @oddbod
    Two years ago I bought Studio 1 on the 27th of january and completed FAWM with no trouble at all.
    I came from Samplitude and Reaper and never looked back.
    All DAWs have their own way to do some specific things but Studio 1 just felt natural.
    Can you tell me what it is exactly that you're looking for in a track template? Maybe I misunderstood , I'll gladly check if what you need can be done.

  • @oddbod  4 weeks

    @lvgd09 thanks, Sonar’s annoying X series GUI is exactly why I want to switch. (whoever thought that was a good idea?)
    So you can’t export an individual MIDI track? If so, that’s not a big deal.

  • @oddbod  4 weeks

    @alboe Thanks, In Sonar you can set up an audio track with selected channel input/inputs from your souncard, insert fx, sends, various parameters, etc and save this as a template. You can then with new projects just right click and insert that template track. Thats what I’d like Studio One to be able to do

  • @lvgd09 4 weeks

    @oddbod Yes, you can save individual midi tracks in S1. It just takes time having to do one by one.

    I suspect all of the old Cakewalk programmers moved to Presonus...lol

    Edit note: I still love general midi and listen to midi files daily. I have the best free SoundFont for general midi that can be found so it sounds pretty good. I'd have to look that up on my other computer to name that soundFont.

  • @elesimo  4 weeks

    I use Ardour on Linux. I started producing music on a Mac with Ableton and later Bitwig, and the switch to Linux definitely took a toll in both my productivity and the quality of my songs. But after a year or so adapting to the workflow, plugins and tools I fell I've ramped back up.

    The reason why I like using Ardour (and endured the transition) is that a DAW is my most valuable tool as a producer. I don't want to invest time and money in a tool that might disappear in the next few years, or become prohibitively expensive. Using an open-source DAW gives me some guarantees (especially because I'm a programmer).

    Another reason I enjoyed the switch was that it made me a better sound engineer. Linux plugins have very few presets, so I had to learn how to proper configure my compressors, my choice of reverbs, etc., instead of blindly using the "drum" preset, for example. It made me start listening more to the sound.

  • @alboe 4 weeks

    @oddbod
    Can 't be done.
    You can store fx chains, but that's all. If you add a track you can select the input and an fx chain preset and after that in the mixer you can add sends and returns.
    You can however save everything you might need in songtemplates.
    I have one template I always use with everything on it that I might need. Including vst instruments, fx, sends and returns and the inputs also preselected.
    Hope this helps.

  • @tseaver  4 weeks

    @mdavisto UbuntuStudio + KXStudios on my main machine, AVLinux on my laptop.

  • @oddbod  4 weeks

    @alboe hey thanks for taking the time to look into this. It’s good to know so I can adjust my expectations. Cheers

  • @hydlide 4 weeks

    I use Reason currently as my main Daw since it works different then other DAWS do. I love modular stuff and this DAW kind of embraces it. Since I have been using it for a long time I gotten aware on how to use it. And this kind of goes with any DAW. If you know how to use the tools, then it is usually good for you.

    While I used to use FL Studio till version 8, I ditched it for different reasons (workflow being one of them) and moved to Ableton Live as my secondary DAW.

    While Reason itself is now with VST support (since Version 9.5 that is) I am coming to a point that I feel that I use ableton less. I only launch Ableton Live these days because I also own a launchpad. And this one works pretty well with live (as an environment workhorse). An Alternative route would be using Push (but I find that one a bit too expensive, but I would love to have it anyway).

    So those are my weapons of choice more or less.

  • @stuartbenbow  4 weeks

    @chasingandromeda @oddbod I haven’t worked enough with midi to really answer the track template completely. I do have several song templates with various instrumentation, effects, levels, groupings, busses etc predefined, if that helps.

  • @chasingandromeda  4 weeks

    @stuartbenbow , @oddbod It does song templates well and there are ways to work around the track template thing a bit, particularly with virtual instruments. I haven't found it to be a showstopper either and I was very disappointed when I discovered the gap, but it has worked out well in other areas. I am very satisfied with the switch.

  • @alboe 4 weeks

    Studio 1 user.
    I think everything can be achieved on any DAW, maybe there are some keyfeatures you can't do without and that dictates the choice.
    My first love is Samplitude, it sounds just better than any other DAW I tried (I don't want to open this can of worms but I really think it does) and it has the sublime Object Editor. At some point Samp became a bit unstable and I tried Reaper, steady as a rock and can do just about anything plus the non commercial licence is a steal.
    Didn't have click with it though, enter Studio 1.
    Tried the demo and it just fit my workflow, still missing some features but there are workarounds for just about anything and sometimes less is more.
    I am tempted to buy Samplitude once more because I can upgrade now at very good price but then I'll only make it difficult for myself again. Choices choices.

  • @alboe 4 weeks

    @oddbod
    Can't comment on Direct X as I don't have any of those.
    What I do know is that if you install the 64 bit version of Studio 1, 32 bit vst and vsti's don't work, they haven't implemented a bridging system. I don't know why but they had their reasons not to do so.
    You need to install a third party bridging software.

  • @alboe 4 weeks

    @oddbod
    Not sure if this is what you're looking for https://youtu.be/jGUfdOBFRT4 but in this tutorial a part of the event on a track gets selected and envelopes can be assigned to only that part. You can probably split these events too and then select them and add envelopes.

  • @boyatheart  4 weeks

    Protools 95%, Logic 5%. After 20 years using it, it's second nature.
    Essential for doing demos during FAWM as I can work lightning fast with it.

  • @nikahikari 4 weeks

    Fl mobile because I'm broke haha

  • @scottlake 4 weeks

    Pretty sure Tracktion 6 has 32 bit bridging built in as well as rewire. Oh btw. It’s free.

  • @oddbod  4 weeks

    @alboe that video was great thanks and addresses my query

  • @axl  4 weeks

    Over the years, I've recorded with Cubase, Logic, Audacity, Ardour, Live, Tracktion and finally Reaper. I've stayed with Reaper because although it sometimes annoys me, it annoys me the least of all the DAWs I've tried. Studio One came out when I was already sold on Reaper, so I never felt the need to try it.

    Here are a few things I've realized:
    - All DAWs have their quirks.
    - All DAWs do certain things really well and other things not so well.
    - There is no single workflow in a DAW. The workflow is what you create.
    - There is no "intuitive DAW", but there are DAWs that suit your particular preferences and musical styles better than others. E.g., one of the reasons I love Reaper is that it boots up really fast. Way faster than Live or Logic. Other people don't care about that sort of thing (hey, a lot of people use Atom as a text editor 😉 )

  • @netnoise 4 weeks

    @oddbod, what version of Mixcraft did you use? I've been using it for a few years and just upgraded to version 8. I really like using Mixcraft. It hasn't given me any trouble and my studio hardware is pretty modest (AMD FX-6300 with 8GB, a Focusrite interface, and no SSD).

  • @saltbearer 4 weeks

    I'm severely physically disabled and currently don't feel capable of using a computer.

    I use SunVox, a self-contained module-based tracker, on my phone. Cheap and versatile, also free for desktop computers (though I do think it feels better to use it on a touchscreen). http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/

    I needed something that would let me create (or at least sample) and arrange whatever sounds I desire, and this pretty much covers it.

  • @syni 4 weeks

    I'm using Ableton Live at the moment. I've used FL Studio, Reason, Reaper, Cubase and Jeskola Buzz in the past--enjoyed most of them, just feeling comfortable around Live right now. It lets me do all I need to do.

  • @candle 4 weeks

    I still use Jeskola Buzz. There is nothing else out there that allows for the modularity & ease of creativity that I have found. It's an unique beast, one that has its own quirks & work-arounds. But I wouldn't trade it for the the shiniest new DAW on the block.

    See You In The Shadows…

  • @oddbod  4 weeks

    @netnoise it was version 6 I think. Never ran smoothly. All sorts of stutters, pops and clicks. Just got fed up up with it. It had some other shortcomings too.

  • @paulhenry  4 weeks

    I bounce back and forth between Logic and Ableton. The unique workflow possible in Ableton (and now Bitwig) is what made it so attractive to me. If I had to differentiate (crudely) between the two, I'd say that Logic tends to be better for you if your main focus is recording audio, while Ableton Live for compositions generated in-the-box. I do find that, even though my workflow tends towards the former, I like Ableton for FAWM because I can prototype the song quickly. @candle, I've never heard of Jeskola Buzz. Thanks for the reference. I'll check it out.

  • @yam655 4 weeks

    I use Ardour for my DAW. I work on a Mac (due to my day job), but I like to limit myself to open-source software so that I can directly use my skills to help my kids with their music projects. They're on Linux, but buying both of them commercial software would be prohibitively expensive even if they were using something else.

    The software I use in my workflow includes Ardour (DAW), Audacity (audio file cutting, detail edits, MP3 creation from finished FLAC file), LMMS (for instrumentation), Hydrogen (for drums), rubberband-cli (for stretching), LilyPond and Frescobaldi (sheet music), and the open-source experimental "bittyband" program I've been working on (which helps me convert audio files in to MIDI and LilyPond to feed to other things).

  • @spiderhound1  4 weeks

    Ableton Live 10. I love the creative workflow in Ableton. It helps me to get the sound in my head out super fast and I love the endless sound manipulation possibilities.

  • @oldlostjohn  4 weeks

    Cool Edit from 1999. I generally use things until they break. (My phone is from 2007.)

  • @torniojaws 3 weeks

    Been using Cubase since SX3, currently 5.5 (64-bit), but looking to finally upgrade to 9.5 at some point. I've also tried various other DAWs here and there, but always end up back to Cubase.

    The main point is MIDI editing and VST-instruments. Other DAWs still seem to struggle in creating a nice and smooth workflow for composing for MIDI on the fly, which I do with a mouse 95 % of the time. Sometimes I compose with a MIDI keyboard, but then "write it" down using a mouse. Same for drums.

    I also have Reaper installed for some quick things where I don't feel like opening and creating a new project in Cubase just for some quick testing/playing around.

  • @optik23  3 weeks

    Going to use Studio One 3 this year. Coming from Sonar and Logic in years past.

  • @kludge  3 weeks

    I've produced many albums with Reaper. I've tried others (Cubase, Mixbus, Reason/Record), but I always go back to Reaper, for being least irritating. The routing really benefits from a computer pipe-style design instead of a sort of mock-patchbay approach modeled on the limitations of hardware.

    That said, I'm doing FAWM this year in Auria on my iPad. Hopefully, it'll keep the resistance down, and make sure I'm recording more and mixing less. There are advantages to not really knowing what you're doing sometimes!

  • @eyeronic 3 weeks

    Logic Pro X. I've used Logic for over 15yrs now and been happy with the tool. Have used others over the years from Dr T's KCS(on Amiga), Cakewalk, Sonar, Cubase, Reason to name a few. But I am comfortable with Logic. Familiarity is a good thing and keeps you focused on the performance rather than geeking on the tool.

  • @guitarkim 3 weeks

    I'm still using Zynewave Podium. For all the stuff that's come and gone in the meantime, that's still the DAW that has the exact workflow I want:

    https://zynewave.com/

  • @zekink 3 weeks

    I use a trio of three DAWs: Reaper, Logic and Live. I pick the one I feel is best suited for whatever project I'm working on.

    So for FAWM, I'm going to use Live.

  • @ianuarius  3 weeks

    I've been watching Zen World videos on YouTube because at some point I wanna start doing some trance music or something. He uses Ableton. Is there any real benefit to it over Reaper? I know I can do everything I want with Reaper, but I'm still curious.

  • @ickabodsane  3 weeks

    I use Reaper these days. I loved Ableton Live, but I had a dodgy version, When I became more serious about music I ditched all my dodgy DAWs and VSTs. Reaper was the only one I could afford. I do have FL which I've had since 2001 and have upgraded a few times, almost upgraded again so I could get access to the thing that works like Melodyne, but decided against it. Almost bought Reason last week, but again, It would be on credit card and I can't really afford it 😁

    I do really like Reaper. I am used to it now. Though after FAWM I'm going to spend some time with FL to see if I can get something out of it.

  • @chucknamaste 2 weeks

    I have Protools, Logic, and Ableton. Protools is the most powerful, but honestly most people don’t even need a DAW like that (unless if you’re hardcore into engineering/mixing/mastering)... Logic is super easy to use and still very powerful, but in a format that makes sense to most people. I’ve been using Ableton for the past few years though and my creativity has shot through the roof! Ableton makes it so easy to get a loop going and record an entire section for a song in like 5 minutes... Logic and Ableton both come with lots of great plugins and presets for EQ, compression, reverb, delay, limiters, samples/midi instruments, and pretty much anything else you could need 👍👍👍

  • @tallmarkmusic  2 weeks

    Garageband '11 (6.0.5)* because it's what I have and what I know. I do, however, continually find myself pushing the limits of the program and am heavily considering trying something new next year.

    *I'm still scarred from when they updated iMovie and gave it a wrapping timeline. If the latest Garageband is just as good as '11 or better, please let me know!

  • @johnhudome  2 weeks

    Garageband, with a MacBook Pro. It does what I need it to do. This being said, I use high quality condenser microphones and sometimes vocal and acoustic guitar pre-amps to enhance sound quality.

  • @kevinmason  2 weeks

    I've been using reaper for about a year and used GarageBand before that. At first reaper was intimidating now that I've started to figure it out (plenty to learn yet) I vastly prefer it.

    Reaper has a generous evaluation period too, and is worth every penny they ask for.

  • @sbs2018 2 weeks

    I started out with GarageBand, then added LogicProX, but I also have Ableton and then ProTools First I downloaded for a class. I've been writing songs in different genres but I'm really attracted to a strong beats, maybe EDM. I'm wondering which, if any, of those DAWs mentioned are best for EDM. Any thoughts?

  • @chucknamaste 2 weeks

    @sbs2018 Ableton Live is definitely the best choice for any kind of electronic/loop based music, but it’s a strong choice for all styles!

  • @marwan 2 weeks

    @sbs2018 just to mirror most of what people say, it really is about what you are more comfortable with. I produce EDM and Trance on Ableton, but because I love the 2 page set up and the zoom in/out feature, which I disliked how it handled in LogicPro. Essentially you will rely a lot on plug ins and the quicker your flow in one DAW the more you'd enjoy it

  • @sapient  2 weeks

    Gosh. Not many Cubase users here... Just me and @torniojaws?
    I'm on v7.5 after trying v8.0 and hating the way it works with Windows. I can work really quickly with it, but some things are really dumb, lile how long it takes to srt up send effects. If I want one that's not loaded in my standard project template, then it takes me 9 mouse clicks...
    Hopefully someone will question that and show me a quicker way to do it...! 🤔

  • @torniojaws 2 weeks

    @sapient I guess Cubase is a bit "technical" compared to most of the DAWs mentioned here. Close to ProTools than GarageBand. But then again, I find Reaper to be very similar to Cubase in many ways. I like the routing matrix and send FX in Reaper, though 😀 But there's something in Reaper that I can't quite pinpoint why I prefer Cubase. I think the MIDI in Reaper is slightly awkward compared to Cubase, but I've heard they improved it since the last time I gave Reaper a shot (4.7 or so, I think).

  • @kenjku  1 week

    I’ve been using Cubase 5. I haven’t really had any other experience with any other DAW’S. I always wanted to try out protools, but I haven’t had the opportunity yet. Cubase seems packed with stuff and I’m always learning how it works. It’s kind of overwhelming. Protools seems more cleaner to me and aesthetically nicer looking maybe?

  • @totallynotaspambot 1 week

    Bup! I use an inhouse DAW which is written into the source code. It's pretty and simple to use. For example, after I've analyzed 3-5 songs, I can already build algorithms based on them! Beep-beep! And since the DAW is already inside me, I can just take the algorithms and create songs based on them! And the coolest stuff comes now: The DARPA firewall allows me to visit FAWM and Soundcloud. It's all a big mess of spaghetti code but it works. Beep!

  • @dwarvenlover 1 week

    I use Audiomulch when im doing real musik. It´s a quirky station that doesnt even have pianoroll or own midi composing tools. So its mainly for live purposses or making ...weelll sounds. Anyhoow i use it to make dronemusic and microtonal experiments, but i also use it to master stuff with free VSTs

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